What's the difference between these two rounds?

Enjay

New Member
I am having an issue here. If y'all'd take a look at these and tell me what the difference is, please?



The box on the left is Russian made .223 fmj with steele casings, the box on the right is Korean made .223 fmj with brass casings. The Russian rounds (top in this picture) appear a bit duller and aged but other than that I can't find a difference.

Here's a full frontal view:



again the Russian is on the left and the Korean on the right.

Why do I ask? Because the Russian rounds were the ammunition we brought with us and were told we couldn't use because they might tear up the range and the Korean rounds were the ones we had to buy at $7.99 a box. Also, when the guy took some of the Russian rounds out to look at and to go ask someone else, he didn't give them back and couldn't find them when we asked. Grrrr! I realize that $1 per box goes towards the 50k to keep the range in working order but really? I'd rather just donate the buck and shoot my $5 a box rounds thank you.

Now, if there really is a difference I apologize for bothering everyone and thank you for teaching me, but honestly I can't see one besides the country of origin and the steel casing, which I wouldn't think has anything to do with the effect the round has on the range. Well, maybe that the steel casing might not expand quite as well as a brass casing and not allow the round to reach it's full potential speed but I'd think that would actually be better for the range since it's going that fraction slower.

Does anyone know if there are any plans for a new indoor rifle range in the works in the Summerville area? Or perhaps upgrading the indoor pistol range to allow rifles too? Cause I'd be all over that.
 

fordnut

Active Member
I hate to say it...but, now you are starting to see why we drive the extra miles to go to Boggy Head or Twin Ponds outdoor range...

I have heard people at ATP just out and tell people that they can only use the range if they shoot their ammo...and then thay overcharge for the ammo.

Steve
 

kg4kpg

Member
Last time I took the AR there they said I had to use theirs and it was given to me in a small, zip-loc bag. I hate the drive, but I go to Boggy Head now as well.
 

thebrasilian

New Member
You guys need to come out to my club. Only limitation are tracers and anything that explodes. But you are allowed to use reactive targets...i think.
 

HHB Guns

New Member
I am a member of palmetto gun club in Summerville. It is not indoor "climate controlled" but it does have cover to shoot from for both pistol and rifle. Once I joined I cant even imagine shooting at ATP again. I always go to the range around 7PM on weeknights and I have the whole range to myself. It has also cooled off some by them as well. If you want to go see it just let me know. It is the best $150 I spend every year.
 

Clicker

Member
Take a pair of pliers and pull the bullet out of the steel cased ammo. Now see if a magnet will stick to it. The projectile could a steel jacket with a lead core that is copper plated.
If it's non-magnetic then you've been ATP'ed.
 

Enjay

New Member
Thanks Clicker. I appreciate your taking the time to offer a solution.


Looks like ATP is redeemed this time, but I'm still not sure that they knew the projectiles were steel jacketed or they'd have been able to tell us WHY we couldn't use it.
 

Clicker

Member
I honestly doubt they knew it was steel jacketed but rather they simply wanted to sell you guys some ammo.
In the past they had a sign posted excluding FMJ ammo in the first place and then they sell you some - classic ATP move!
 

fordemti

New Member
That Tulammo is some crappy stuff. I like it cause it's cheap and if you're just target practicing, which is what I mostly do, it's fine. But please don't shoot anyone in self defense with it. My dad and I shot into a wood burn pile in my parents back yard with an HK USC and found about 20 bullets just laying on the ground from where they apparently BOUNCED out of the pile!!!! Holy crappy bullets Batman.
 

armedpig

New Member
Alot of people that run ranges think that if a magnet sticks to the bullet it has the evil steel core that will come back and kill everyone in the range. The same thing happens at our local range. What they fail to realize is that a magnet will also stick to a bimetal projectile as well. In my experience with bimetal bullets, when the bullet hits the backstop the jacket peels off(hollowpoints and ballistic tip), the core would usually bounce into the ground and break apart. When I would go downrange at a place I worked at for a while, all I would ever find would be the jackets.

As aggravating as it is they are being somewhat overly cautious. You really can't expect every rangemaster to remember the composition of all bullets manfactured.
 

Enjay

New Member
Armedpig, I do understand being overly cautious, I am a mom after all lol, but the kicker is that we've shot this ammo there a few times with no problems or questions. If I recall correctly we had already bought some range rounds for a different weapon. Seems like every time we're there we have to buy some ammo, except when I'm there for practice with just my defensive carry pistol, and even then I've been told in the past not to use the 9mm hollow points by some of their employees, others don't seem to care.

Fordemti, I agree on not using these as defensive rounds. They were a bulk purchase for my son so he'd have rounds for target practice and as such we went with the cheapest available.
 
1. They want you to buy their horribly overpriced ammo that they buy remarkably cheaper than you or I could, since they get it in bulk.

2. They want you to use brass, not steel, cased ammo so they can steal the brass and then resell it.

Money. Money. Money.
 

Enjay

New Member
Avtomat-Acolyte said:
2. They want you to use brass, not steel, cased ammo so they can steal the brass and then resell it.
I knew there was a reason I picked up the brass lol Any reloaders want 16 brass .223 cases?
 

armedpig

New Member
Avtomat-Acolyte said:
1. They want you to buy their horribly overpriced ammo that they buy remarkably cheaper than you or I could, since they get it in bulk.

2. They want you to use brass, not steel, cased ammo so they can steal the brass and then resell it.

Money. Money. Money.

This as well and probably more so than what I previously posted.
 

Black Widow

New Member
Interesting story - not as good as blood on the floor - but interesting :) The fact they kept your ammo annoys the heck out of me - its one thing to tell you you can't use it - quie another to confiscate it. It would be awesome for someone to open another indoor range as I can't stand the thought of spending another dime at this place. We do love Boggy Head (which is closer anyway) - especially on a weeknight as so few are there and no one is stealing our ammo :)
 

Enjay

New Member
There was no blood this time, thankfully. We originally planned on going to Trader World but the husband really wanted to fire the AKM and Trader World only has a pistol range.
I've never been to Boggy Head, but google tells me it's an hour away which isn't conducive to a little after work range time. Maybe one of theses weekends I'll head on out there to give it a whirl.
 

Frost

Active Member
You should come to Boggy Head when the regulars are there.
You would get to shoot some really neat toys.
 
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