Up at the Philson Crossroads fest, the old man who picks up the brass was cautioning Big Animal and I about swapping at the range because that is suppose to be "unlawful" to do at a national park range. I don't know if that is true or BS. Who can we ask without arousing scrutiny?
David: I talked to the guy at the last Shootzenfest...He was just mad because we took out brass with us...I think that was a BS story....
If we were a buisness selling new guns, that might be a problem...but, I don't think a small swap meet would make any difference to any one...
I have sent a question to the US Forestry Dept asking if it is or isn't legal to conduct trades between citizens on these ranges. I'm waiting for a reply. If I don't hear back soon I will make a few calls this coming week.
Pops would know for sure as he is the one who gets permission for us to use the range as a group.
I think the restriction is against a dealer selling things there without getting a permit.
I know nothing about the permits other than you must have one to sell things.
I would not believe there could be any restriction on swapping between individuals.
I too have some stuff I would like to swap.
I spoke to the Forestry Service about a swap meet component when we first started doing ShootzenFests.
The official answer is: You can sell stuff at the range, but you have to apply for and pay for a permit ahead of time.
I was told we could sell something prior to the ShootzenFest and transfer it at the range as long as there's no money changing hands.
The forestry service has rules they haveto go by for everyone.
To date no one has wanted to go through the steps to acquire a permit, so I don't know how much it costs or even who to ask about it. I'd have to do the footwork myself.
Setting up tables would eventually cause a problem if we tried to avoid the permitting process.
But, if there are enough people interested we can certainly look into, We may find the permit is only $5 for the day, I don't know.
Oh, and as for the old curmudgeon at Philson, He's just someone who keeps the ranges clean in exchange for the free brass.
He was a bit frustrated about loosing so much brass, bu tnone of it's his until the original owner has left for the day.
He was rather rude to several people, but I chose not to confront him since that rarely improves the attitude of someone with that much disregaurd for people he doesn't know.
I think he harrassed several people that afternoon. I listened to a little of it, but I eventially just walked away from him.
Its kind of sad in a way, I think he's a disabled vet so I gave him a wide field rather than complain about him.
Some people say there's a woman to blame, but I know, it probably his own damned fault. . .
Just lay your stuff for sale on the shooting benches near you and if you see something you like ask about it. Almost everything is for sale for the right price anyway so just start a conversation. If its more than trading some 9mm for some 45 then go out to the nearest parking lot and swap cash.
IMHO discretion is (nearly) always an acceptable answer.
I would like to see how much the permit would be. We want to be welcome at these ranges for years to come. If the price isn't too steep and those who wish to barter get together and finance the permit I'll go in on that deal.