pics from the NRA Annual Meeting

Pops

Administrator
i only got to spend a few hours there, but it was a real good time.
I'd like to see if we can get up to go next year.

The Main Hall. This is about 1/20th of what was there
The Dillon Booth
CharterArms
The Rossi Booth

This device opens up with a clamshell side adn a glock drops into the frame.
It is quite cool. The Glock is a complete gun and can be removed with two pins and two slide latches. the company would not allow me to photograph it open. I could but one and post all the shots I want. The only thing I am concerned about is the rules for putting a shoulder stock on a pistol. $349 at the show, $399 on the web.
I'll post the links when I return from Mrytle Beach. :D
The Glock Shroud
 

HHB Guns

New Member
I'm not 100% but 99.9%. My ATF inspector told me that if it has a BUTT STOCK attached it automatically becomes a rifle because it is no longer just fired by the hand but with the shoulder which by the looks of that barrel would make it a SBR. I had a customer who bought a rig very close to this one and he had to register it NFA.
 

Pops

Administrator
I was afraid of that. I have never looked into getting a special stamp for anything. All my guns are pretty much the way they were intended from the designer.
I may need to start a new thread to find out more about special stamps from the ATF.

a little knowledge is better than none at all.

Pops
 

fordnut

Active Member
Henry: You are opening up a whole can of worms, and, I would like to find out the answers that are true.
I was talking to a couple of venders at the last gun show at the fair grounds. I ask them about the kit to turn a 1911 into a sholder gun. They are sold all over the internet...
They said that a ATF agent had talked to them at a show upstate, somewhere. He told them that the stocks were OK to buy and sell....but, they became illegal as soon as you put the pistol in them...
Then I ask about the old Lugers that came with the sholder stock, as long as other pistols that the manufacturers had made sholder stocks for...
The ATF agent told them that these guns were under a different code because they were C/L guns....
I thought if you sold excempt C/L guns, you had to have that license...

I am confused>>>>>somebody please help me....

Steve
 

Frost

Active Member
If you put a shoulder stock on a pistol it becomes a short barreled rifle.
If you cut the barrel on a rifle it becomes a short barreled rifle.

If you have a vertical fore-grip on a pistol don't get caught with it.
I am not sure what it becomes (AOW ???) but it is not legal.
 

HHB Guns

New Member
fordnut said:
The ATF agent told them that these guns were under a different code because they were C/L guns....
I thought if you sold excempt C/L guns, you had to have that license...

I am confused>>>>>somebody please help me....

Steve
What is C/L gun? I must be missing something. I will call my ATF guy on Monday just to be sure.
 

fordnut

Active Member
Henry: Maybe I called it wrong...But, what they were saying is the old Luger and others in that era were antique. The law, he told them, was different...

I don't know anything about all this. I am just telling what they told me ...

Steve
 

armedpig

New Member
Frost said:
If you put a shoulder stock on a pistol it becomes a short barreled rifle.
If you cut the barrel on a rifle it becomes a short barreled rifle.

If you have a vertical fore-grip on a pistol don't get caught with it.
I am not sure what it becomes (AOW ???) but it is not legal.

Put a stock on a pistol and it becomes a Short Barrel Rifle(SBR) unless it has a barrel longer than 16in AND a greater overall length of 26in. That is why alot of the 1911 kits have a long barrel on them.

Put a vertical foregrip on a pistol and it becomes Any Other Weapon(AOW). It is my understanding that a AOW must be made on a virgin receiver.

Macine Gun trumps everything.


Some of the Lugers and 1911's came with removeable buttstocks. The ATF has these listed in their book of C&R firearms. As long as they stay in their original military configuration, they can continue to remain exempt from the tax stamps (as well as some machine guns, I think).

All of what I just posted is how I understand the laws now. Please do not take them as legal advice or law. If you are considering getting a SBR, AOW, Supressor, or Machine Gun please check with the ATF and local leo's to get all of the right forms, information, tax stamps paid, and to make sure the above listed items are legal to own in your area. You know how laws change and don't get updated with government agencies, your just supposed to know.
 
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