Black Rifles M1 Carbine: the original PDW

Midnight Raver

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Okay, so it was a brown rifle before black was the new black. The wartime models were made by a myriad of different companies that you would never imagine in this day and age. General Motors, Rock-Ola(makers of juke boxes and pinball games), Underwood Typewriters, International Buisiness Machines(yes, IBM) just to name a few built something like 6 1/2 million of these rifles back then. The old Ruger .44 Mag carbine and the ubiquitous Ruger 10/22 even share their looks with the M1 carbine, certainly helping out with their sales over the years. It has always been a popular firearm but also was shrouded with some controversy, yet has been so easily recognized by even the average Joe/Josephine on the street.


Recently my Mother in Law gave me a bayonet that belonged to my Father in Law. He served in Korea with the Marine Corps and I found out that it was one for the M1 carbine series. I wished that I could have talked to him about the rifle, it would have been some first hand info for me to hear.


An early model M3 Infrared Weapons System

Designed just before WWII, the M1 carbine was intended to fill a vital gap in weaponry. Although the M1 Garand was a fine weapon, it was not the right choice for soldiers of secondary roles and specialized fields. The M1911 .45 also didn't quite fit the bill except at close range. That being said, the new rifle was to be a smaller, lighter design but able to be effective at a decent range. Drivers, heavy weapons teams, NCOs, officers, even paratroops were to receive the M1 carbine. The Marine Corps also used a large number of them due to it's fast loading and greater volume of ammo capacity/carrying capability.


(L to R)4.6x30mm, 5.7x28mm, .30 Carbine

A lot has been said about the .30 carbine round both good and bad. It had a reputation of lacking penetration capability with its detractors, yet could go through helmets. Most likely it lost more energy at its further ranges of use to boost any naysayers claims. However, it certainly was not a useless firearm to have seen such high production and widespread use. The only contemporary PDWs to follow on after the M1 carbine are the FNH P90 and the H&K MP7, both using even smaller but higher velocity cartridges with armor piercing capabilities unheard of until almost the 21st century. They still owe their inception to the old M1 carbine though, born in a time when big battle rifles were still king. Collectors and firearms enthusiasts will always hold it as a great prize, especially those rare ones made by the odd manufacturers in the early 1940s.

If you have an M1 carbine or any first hand experience with one, please share your stories and your info. Better yet, pics of yours would be terrific if you have/had one! :ugeek:


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I used to have a nice Winchester carbine but it was stolen about 10 years ago. I always thought it had an undeserved reputation. I know it doesn't have the range of a .223/5.56 round but looking at its effective range, it was close. It had twice the bullet weight (110gr vs. 55 gr), much larger bore (.308 vs .224) and nearly as much energy (975 ft lbs vs 1200 ft lbs). It was pretty much done by 200yds and I am sure a lot of failures were blamed on shots made at much longer ranges. I love these little guns. They were super reliable and easy to shoot and once upon a time very cheap to shoot.


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Heres mine. :D This carbine was manufactured by IAI (Israel Arms International).


It was really hard to find a decent surplus carbine so I opted for this one. It's 100% mil spec and runs like a sewing machine.

The M-1 and M-2 carbine was my fathers weapon of choice when he was in Korea, mainly because it was light compared to the Garand. He was not authorized to carry one though,so every time he came off the line they would take it and issue him a Garand. My hope is to have one of every rifle that he used when he served,the next one on the list is the Garand.

Midnight Raver

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Real or replica, they sure look great! Do you get to shoot it much? If so, what distances do you normally fire at?

Hope you get your Garand soon too! :cool:


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Not as much as I'd like to,when I bought it 30 carbine ammo was non existent,I've slowly been stocking up though. I've only shot it out to about 30 yards,right now I have a pistol range set up. I have plans to clear an area out and set up a rifle range in the future though, probably around 200 yards.


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Hmmmm, need some help? ;)

I miss my carbine. Gave it to my mother for the AR. She was a hard bargainer. It was a replacement for a stolen carbine but a nice rifle none the less.