jmt2566
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New Jersey - boy am I glad that I do not live there!
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20101 ... gally.html
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20101 ... gally.html
Jailed for legal guns?
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carsontech
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:shock: Jeesh, I am glad I live in a semi-pro-gun state. Looks like he was busted big time for the magazine and other accessories, and not the guns themselves, which still may have been legal for him to have, seeing as he was in the process of moving.
One of these days the government is going to push people over the edge on stupid stuff like this, and people will revolt. I feel this should have happened a million times already, though.
One of these days the government is going to push people over the edge on stupid stuff like this, and people will revolt. I feel this should have happened a million times already, though.
thebrasilian
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I think I heard that this judge might be removed from the bench because of other decisions.
jmt2566
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Yes, he has quite a record behind him! Of course,that doesn't change the fact that this young man is looking at 7 years!thebrasilian said:
Midnight Raver
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Pitiful.
I can understand confiscating the ammo and mags. I can understand being fined for the infractions. However- 7 FREAKING YEARS??? Criminals get lighter sentences than that for crying out loud.
I can understand confiscating the ammo and mags. I can understand being fined for the infractions. However- 7 FREAKING YEARS??? Criminals get lighter sentences than that for crying out loud.
Frost
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I wonder what the incident was?
The General
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NJ Laws are simple when it comes to guns: You are NOT allowed to do/own anything unless the law specifically says you can. Its done through Exemptions to the law.
So, in NJ, you are only allowed to possess a firearm in your home, at at shooting range, at a gun store, or at a repair shop. You are only allowed to travel between any of those two places by travelling in a direct route without substantial deviation. Apparently, the person in question kept the guns in his car for several weeks. Clearly a violation of NJ law.
With that said, as a former NJ resident - The laws are TOTAL CRAP!!!! That's why I got the hell out of there before I became the next poster child for "Gun Crime". But the law is the law and the courts enforce the will of the legislature.
He got several years for illegal possession (having the guns in his car), a couple more for possession of a mag that holds greater than 15 rounds (illegal in NJ no if, ands, or buts) and possession of hollow point bullets, which are legal to own at the range, home, etc, but illegal to possess in a crime. You can get several years for EACH bullet if they want to! He only got a few extra for those. Add it all up and it comes to 7 years.
When the passed the AW ban in 1991, a few years later they convicted and upheld on appeal a 5-year sentance for possession of an unregistered Marlin Model 60 .22 cal rifle. It has a tube magazine and although its designed for 22 LR cartridges, it can hold more than 15 .22 Shorts. So into the slammer for 5 years he went. Ironically, he DID register all his NJ Assault Weapons when the law was passed but never even gave the Marlin a second thought. The courts ruled "The NJ resident is at their peril when it comes to understanding and complying with gun laws".
Glad to be here!!
-Mike
So, in NJ, you are only allowed to possess a firearm in your home, at at shooting range, at a gun store, or at a repair shop. You are only allowed to travel between any of those two places by travelling in a direct route without substantial deviation. Apparently, the person in question kept the guns in his car for several weeks. Clearly a violation of NJ law.
With that said, as a former NJ resident - The laws are TOTAL CRAP!!!! That's why I got the hell out of there before I became the next poster child for "Gun Crime". But the law is the law and the courts enforce the will of the legislature.
He got several years for illegal possession (having the guns in his car), a couple more for possession of a mag that holds greater than 15 rounds (illegal in NJ no if, ands, or buts) and possession of hollow point bullets, which are legal to own at the range, home, etc, but illegal to possess in a crime. You can get several years for EACH bullet if they want to! He only got a few extra for those. Add it all up and it comes to 7 years.
When the passed the AW ban in 1991, a few years later they convicted and upheld on appeal a 5-year sentance for possession of an unregistered Marlin Model 60 .22 cal rifle. It has a tube magazine and although its designed for 22 LR cartridges, it can hold more than 15 .22 Shorts. So into the slammer for 5 years he went. Ironically, he DID register all his NJ Assault Weapons when the law was passed but never even gave the Marlin a second thought. The courts ruled "The NJ resident is at their peril when it comes to understanding and complying with gun laws".
Glad to be here!!
-Mike
fordnut
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Just got an email from the NRA...The Governor of New Jersey pardoned this guy today...
Steve
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HHB Guns
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Saw that same email. Thats awesome!
jmt2566
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I thought that the Governor commuted his sentence... that gets him out of prison but wouldn't that still leave the conviction on his record & preclude him from owning firearms in the future? Don't get me wrong, I would be thrilled to be released from lockup and am glad that the Governor did this much!
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Commuted is correct. That leaves Aitken as a convicted felon so no more legal guns for him. That being said, one of the easiest things to get here is an off paper gun.
Just to add, it was Aitken's mother who ratted him out to the cops.
Just to add, it was Aitken's mother who ratted him out to the cops.
Frost
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Well the conviction may stand but at least he is out of jail.
Now he can get a job and a lawyer to attempt to rectify the remainder.
Now he can get a job and a lawyer to attempt to rectify the remainder.
I always have to shake my head when I see the law abuse a citizen over his or her constitutional rights.
I suppose we should call them constitutional rights violations?
If they really wanted to reduce gun crime they would do something about the criminals. Education, job opportunities, socially encouraging people to be responsible citizens, etc.
It makes me sick. Judges are actually a serious part of the problem. Individuals like this one who are so obviously incompetent or being influenced from some other source really stand out. He has lost his effectivenes if you ask me and should no longer be a judge. His objectivity is gone.
Another thing I don't understand about judges is, Why are they required to rule based on a precident? why can't they use. . . judgement?
Even if a similar case has been heard in a previous case, it is obviously a different set of circumstances and even though the case may help the judge in his decisions, I don't see why he is bound to go along with it. Never made any sense to me. But then I disagree with most eminent domain rules too.
pops
I suppose we should call them constitutional rights violations?
If they really wanted to reduce gun crime they would do something about the criminals. Education, job opportunities, socially encouraging people to be responsible citizens, etc.
It makes me sick. Judges are actually a serious part of the problem. Individuals like this one who are so obviously incompetent or being influenced from some other source really stand out. He has lost his effectivenes if you ask me and should no longer be a judge. His objectivity is gone.
Another thing I don't understand about judges is, Why are they required to rule based on a precident? why can't they use. . . judgement?
Even if a similar case has been heard in a previous case, it is obviously a different set of circumstances and even though the case may help the judge in his decisions, I don't see why he is bound to go along with it. Never made any sense to me. But then I disagree with most eminent domain rules too.
pops
"Convicted last year in New Jersey of illegally transporting firearms, Aitken spent four months in state prisons before Republican Gov. Chris Christie commuted his seven-year sentence to ?time served? and let him go free."
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2011/02/23/man-f ... z1EpNN8NhC
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2011/02/23/man-f ... z1EpNN8NhC
Midnight Raver
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Glad he could salvage his life, most average people would not recover from such experiences.
Frost
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It sucks that he is considered an ex-con but least he is now out of jail and is not on probation.
