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thebrasilian

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Didn't see this posted on here:
http://www.wyff4.com/news/30521412/detail.html
"GREENVILLE, S.C. -- Two bills in the state House of Representatives could change the laws for South Carolina gun owners in 2012.

One proposal, sponsored by Rep. Wendell Gilliard, D-Charleston, would change the charge for carrying a concealed weapon without a permit from a misdemeanor to a felony.

The other bill, also sponsored by Gilliard, would redefine and ban certain assault weapons. The new definition of assault weapons in the bill includes rifles fitted with magazines that can carry more than 21 rounds and shotguns capable of carrying six or more rounds."
 

fiundagner

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http://www.scstatehouse.gov/legislatorssearch.php

Find your representatives, and get in touch with them to let them know how you feel. Personally i think criminals are going to carry what they carry, and redefining what private, law abiding citizens can own and operate only disarms private, law abiding citizens. It has been said before and will be said again "if you outlaw all guns, only criminals will own guns."

Additional Information: It is just one bill, H 3140, that enacts both of these changes. Not two seperate bills.

http://www.scstatehouse.gov/query.php?s ... numrows=10

Read the actual bill if you can fight through the legalise. Basically if you own an AR, AK, M1 carbine, or any other weapon capable of accepting a detachable magazine that can accept more than 21 rounds, made after 1958, you are a felon. Own a magazine of greater than 21 round capacity. Congrats, felon. Period. No grandfather clause, no turn it in or else. Got a slam fire lower? Congratulations, you may now own a machine gun (the language is confusing). You own it, you're a felon. There is some other confusing language in their redefining other weapons as well I am still working on understanding. I will update as I figure out what it all means, as near as possible.
 

fiundagner

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Ok. Here is the relevant text on assault weapons

2) 'Assault weapon' means a firearm with any of the following characteristics:
(a) all semiautomatic action, centerfire rifles with a detachable magazine with a capacity of twenty-one or more rounds;
(b) all semiautomatic shotguns with a folding stock or a magazine capacity of more than six rounds, or both;
(c) a firearm which has been modified to be operable as an assault weapon as defined in this item; and
(d) any part or combination of parts designed or intended to convert a firearm into an assault weapon, including a detachable magazine with a capacity of twenty-one or more rounds, or any combination of parts from which an assault weapon may be readily assembled if those parts are in the possession or under the control of the same person.
'Assault weapon' does not include weapons that do not use fixed cartridges, weapons that were in production prior to 1898, manually operated bolt-action weapons, lever-action weapons, slide-action weapons, single-shot weapons, multiple-barrel weapons, revolving-cylinder weapons, semiautomatic weapons for which there is no fixed magazine with capacity of twenty-one or more rounds available, semiautomatic weapons that use exclusively en bloc clips, semiautomatic weapons in production prior to 1954, rimfire weapons that employ a tubular magazine, a firearm that use .22 caliber rimfire ammunition, or an assault weapon which has been modified either to render it permanently inoperable or to permanently make it a device no longer defined as an assault weapon.

Section 2 (a) [all semiautomatic action, centerfire rifles with a detachable magazine with a capacity of twenty-one or more rounds; ] seems to contradict 'Assault weapon' does not include? semiautomatic weapons for which there is no fixed magazine with capacity of twenty-one or more rounds available,

Other than that the language used to define specific weapons is the same as far as I can tell, with the usual changes in punctuation attendant upon any revision (commas for parentheses, stuff like that).

The other major change is in redefining the charges on a concealed weapon from a misdemeanor to a felony. This in itself is not as worrying as the potential for abuse inherit in this change, as by SC law (16-23-405) ???weapon? means firearm (rifle, shotgun, pistol, or similar device that propels a projectile through the energy of an explosive), a knife with a blade over two inches long, a blackjack, a metal pipe or pole, or any other type of device or object which may be used to inflict bodily injury or death.?

Anyone who has ever had a decently taught self defense course knows you can do a lot of damage with a set of car keys, a ball point pen, or even a rolled up newspaper. and if a cop gets a case of the arse and charges you which would you rather have to fight, a felony or misdemeanor? And how many of you own baseball bats? Just a little food for thought

(yes i know i'm paranoid. 1) I've had to deal with somethign like this before (everything up to half my kitchen utensils got confiscated) and 2) read my tagline)
 

Red Hat

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They have tried to do this several times and it never gets out of committee. Make some calls just in case though!
 

Stan in SC

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The bill was sponsored by the dipstick democrat Wendall Gillard from Charleston.My state house representative advises me that the bill will never get out of committee.

Stan in SC
 
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