H 5072 Bill to Ammend Use of Deadly Force in SC


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Please contact your Representative and the Judiciary Committee in opposition to H 5072 .

This bill was introduced in SC House by another anti self-defense zealot in response to the Florida shooting. It removes your right to stand your ground and use deadly force anywhere but your home or vehicle. The summary states it only removes this right in a place of business, but if you read, the deletion covers the entire parargraph that also basically states "anywhere you have a lawful right to be". This would in effect render your CWP useless except for your house and car.

Here is link to bill:
http://www.scstatehouse.gov/query.php?s ... numrows=10

Please contact your Representative and the Judiciary Committee where this bill now resides.

Judiciary Committee:


I sent the following to all:

A person's right to self-defense goes beyond the home or vehicle. It follows a person regardless of their location. By passing this bill you would put law abiding citizens at more risk and protect criminals. It is time we STOP PROTECTING CRIMINALS.

It is a disgrace that the incident in Florida would be used to ammend a law that protects the rights of law abiding citizens while promoting an anti self-defense agenda. There are rules governing appropriate use of deadly force that must be followed, but to say you cannot stand your ground and use deadly force when called for is to further endanger the lives of those already placed in harms way with no recourse, but to take the risk of retreat.

Do not place law abiding citizens in this situation. Protect our right of self-defense.


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thebrasilian said:
Messages sent.

Who Sponsored this?
From what I could find it appears to be Bakari T. Sellers from Bamburg. Big surprise that it's a black 28 year old Democrat.

ETA: I figured it would be Wendell Gilliard or Robert Ford but I guess this Sellers guy wanted to be first to garner national attention from this unfortunate situation.


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Dredwolf said:
And now it looks like the State Senate needs to get into the act...http://www.heraldonline.com/2012/03/24/3845213/sc-law-under-threat-after-florida.html

Even if you think this has no chance of passing, contact your representatives and senators anyway.

Many things have come to pass that more than just a few thought would never happen.


Good point, I sent another email to my State Senator as well. The more I think about this, the more I am convinced this could be the biggest threat to our 2A rights in many years. The liberal lawmakers and media are leveraging this to the max.

I think it is great that so many people have responded to their lawmakers and I would encourage everyone on this forum to do the same. We really need to flood them with our opposition if we are to have any impact. This is so much more important than the 5 minutes it will take to send an email.

I also could not help but to leave comment out on the Heralds website as well.


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Thanks for bringing this to our attention. Emailed both my Rep. and Senator yesterday and received replies from both within a couple of hours! I was impressed. Anyway, my Representative seemed to know all about it and said it will never get out of committee and agreed the whole thing was absurd. If you haven't contacted your legislators, do so. It's very quick and easy, not to mention the satisfaction of having your voices heard!


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I love this particular statement:

?What happened in Florida is murder, but it is very hard to arrest a murderer when you have a ?Stand Your Ground? defense.?

Gee, I wasn't aware that the case had gone to trial yet. If our own law makers do not believe in "innocent until proven guilty", how is the common man supposed to?

John Canuck

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Those people are silly and ignorant. No matter how you slice it, "stand your ground" had nothing to do with what happened Florida. In either of the following two options, there is no SYG involved.

A. Zimmerman's account is accurate, where he was attacked, on the ground with the Skittle popper on top of him beating his head on the ground. Z had no opportunity to retreat since his back was against the big blue ball called earth. In this case, SYG doesn't apply and this was just another self defense situation.

B. The story told by the Skittle Popper's family is accurate and Captain Zimmerman attacked their darling little son. In this case, Zimmerman cannot claim any protection under SYG as he was the aggressor.

Frankly, I couldn't care less and am tired of hearing about it. I really wish the anti-self defense terrorists would debate the merits of a law on the facts, instead of their emotional rantings.


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just a few reasons for self defense. the ones not in the news

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Published on Mar 23, 2012 by dsarti1

17-year-old Trayvon Martin shot by 28 year old out of shape George Zimmerman after Zimmerman had ceased chasing Trayvon, the 17-year-old hoodlum turned around and came back to attack George Zimmerman at which time Zimmerman pulled his weapon in self-defense and shot Trayvon dead. A tragic but justifiable shooting. The moral of the story is teach your children not to jump bad on someone just because they appear to be weaker because they may get a surprise when they find out that Samuel colt made that person equal to them.
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