Firearm siezures after SHTF

fiundagner

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It won?t do you any good when your local brute squad has you down on the ground in your own house and is forcing you out, but I just thought I would put this out

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/can-you ... emergency/

As superstorm Sandy was preparing to pound the Eastern United States, Cam Edwards, of NRA News, joined Glenn Beck on his television program Monday to discuss Americans? gun rights during a state of emergency.?You need to know your rights,? Beck said. ?This is what happens when people?s rights are trampled in an emergency?Somebody takes advantage of that situation,? he later added.

Beck went on to air part of a news report about a woman who was disarmed and forced from her home during Hurricane Katrina in New Orleans.

Patty Konie explained to officers back in 2005 that her home was dry, she had plenty of food and she wanted to stay in her home with her dogs. However, police did not respect her request and forced her to leave. Further, when she revealed to officers that she had an unloaded handgun, officers tackled her to the floor and confiscated the gun ? even though it was a legal firearm.

Edwards said it is important that gun owners know their rights, especially ahead of potential disasters like Hurricane Sandy. In 2006, then-President George W. Bush signed an executive order called the Disaster Recovery Personal Protection Act that strengthened individual gun rights during a national emergency.

What that bill did?it basically says to law enforcement across the country, that you cannot violate the rights of American gun owners, even in a state of emergency, you can?t violate federal law, you can?t violate state law,? Edwards said. ?If that happens, then the punishment for those law enforcement agencies is a loss in federal funding.?

So, if you find yourself in the same situation as Patty Konie in the aftermath of Hurricane Sandy, Edwards said there are a few things you should be mindful of:

?You cooperate, you get the names [of the officers], you get all the information that you can, you hire an attorney and you have that attorney contact the NRA Civil Rights Defense Fund,? he said.

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/109/hr5013

Official Summary
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7/25/2006--Passed House amended.
Disaster Recovery Personal Protection Act of 2006 - Amends the Robert T. Stafford Disaster Relief and Emergency Assistance Act to prohibit any U.S. officer or employee or any person operating under federal authority, while acting in support of relief from a major disaster or emergency, from:
(1) seizing or prohibiting possession of any firearm the possession of which is not otherwise prohibited (other than for forfeiture in compliance with federal law or as evidence in a criminal investigation);
(2) requiring registration of any firearm not otherwise required; or
(3) prohibiting the carrying of a firearm by any person otherwise authorized to carry a firearm.
Provides that nothing under this Act shall be construed to prohibit requiring the temporary surrender of a firearm as a condition for entry into any mode of transportation used for rescue or evacuation during a major disaster or emergency.
Authorizes any individual aggrieved by a violation of this Act to seek relief by bringing an action for redress for deprivation of rights and by bringing a civil action in U.S. district court for return of a confiscated firearm.

I keep a record on flash drive and on at least 3 computers (one of which is not at my house) of what firearms I / my family own, what the serial numbers are, and who the owner of record is. I update it every few months, or when major purchases and sale happen. I also keep a printout, slightly more out of date to be honest, in the family lockbox so we have a hardcopy if we need it. Writing this post has actually made me realize that it is about time to update it again.

I also recomend a list of ammunition, magazines, and other assorted items (decorative knives for instance). I have had my munitions, magazines and assorted items siezed before, and had to go through hell getting them back because i couldnt prove that i owned them at the time they were siezed, or even that i was the person they were siezed from (fun story there). By the time i got them back some of the magazines, most of the knives, one of my rubber ducks (dummy M16), and about half of my ammo had disappeared. At the time i was basically told i didn't have a case and could not get restitution, or even file charges, because i couldnt prove what exactly had been taken.
 

PCShogun

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It amazes me that, in the minds of some, that preparation for a disaster is construed as hoarding and intent to prey upon the community at large. Therefore, your stored food and medicine will be confiscated to feed and treat those who did nothing to prepare, and your guns taken to ensure you cannot prevent said items from being confiscated by the authorities, or anyone else who manages to stay armed during the disaster and wishes to take your supplies, or lives.
 

C_Carson

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PCShogun said:
It amazes me that, in the minds of some, that preparation for a disaster is construed as hoarding and intent to prey upon the community at large. Therefore, your stored food and medicine will be confiscated to feed and treat those who did nothing to prepare, and your guns taken to ensure you cannot prevent said items from being confiscated by the authorities, or anyone else who manages to stay armed during the disaster and wishes to take you supplies, or lives.

Well, yeah. It's totally selfish of you to prepare for you and your family, instead of letting the government do it for you. /sarcasm
 

fiundagner

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Havent you heard? Prepping is a form of hoarding, hoarding is a mental illness, if you are mentally ill the govement needs to protect yourself and others from potential harm caused by mental illness. Thus for your own good and the good of others the goverment needs to protect you from mental illness
 

Underdude

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I don't agree with the advice of the author. If you let it go.....You're screwed.
Really, what are the odds you'll get it back later? Extremely slim to no chance at all. Nobody tells me to leave my home, nobody enters my home without my permission. I'm not from MA, and if some "Terrorist" tries to hide out in my home......Well that's why I'm a gun owner. I'll drag his ass out the door and the storm troopers can pick him up off the sidewalk.
 

armaborealis

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Underdude said:
I don't agree with the advice of the author. If you let it go.....You're screwed.
Really, what are the odds you'll get it back later? Extremely slim to no chance at all. Nobody tells me to leave my home, nobody enters my home without my permission. I'm not from MA, and if some "Terrorist" tries to hide out in my home......Well that's why I'm a gun owner. I'll drag his ass out the door and the storm troopers can pick him up off the sidewalk.

There's a few ways that will go down:

1) After you refuse, a mechanized infantry platoon will establish an outer cordon while an infantry squad breaches your home. Your dog will be shot. You may be shot, and you will definitely be physically restrained. Your home will then be ransacked and you will get to ride out the disaster from the comfort of some sort of prison, separated from your family. If you resist the forcible entry, you and possibly your family will be killed. They may find kiddie porn on your laptop, or a drug stash in your bedroom, or a full auto conversion kit in your safe.

2) You decide to leave your home, because staying at home for mega storms is kind of stupid. I mean, the best type of prepping is not being at Ground Zero, right? When you return, you find your home has been ransacked by the authorities or others and need to file an insurance claim, because you couldn't fit every item of value into your truck when you drove to a Holiday Inn two states away.

I'm not saying that there is never a time to say "My home is my castle" and let the dice fall how they may. But if you let the home invasion team choose the time and place and set the tempo then you will lose.

I think keeping some sort of inventory is smart, for insurance purposes if nothing else.
 

Underdude

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I know my stance on this isn't very popular, but it is mine after all.
Everyone has a breaking point and will say "No more, not one more step back."
 

Avtomat-Acolyte

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Underdude said:
I know my stance on this isn't very popular, but it is mine after all.
Everyone has a breaking point and will say "No more, not one more step back."


In the interest of academic speculation and not in the realm of preparation or planning; wouldn't it be more prudent to feign compliance in the face of overwhelming force and then, when cleared and left alone, retrieve hidden contraband when no longer being supervised? At this point you could go about your normal, daily life... or exact revenge. But at least you'd still be alive and not incarcerated and able to make the selection.
 

Tigerstripe

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Avtomat-Acolyte said:
Underdude said:
I know my stance on this isn't very popular, but it is mine after all.
Everyone has a breaking point and will say "No more, not one more step back."


In the interest of academic speculation and not in the realm of preparation or planning; wouldn't it be more prudent to feign compliance in the face of overwhelming force and then, when cleared and left alone, retrieve hidden contraband when no longer being supervised? At this point you could go about your normal, daily life... or exact revenge. But at least you'd still be alive and not incarcerated and able to make the selection.

retrieve hidden contraban is the problem. from the looks of it they are going to search. metal detectors are pretty good now. and lets face it, with the illegal intel dont you think they know exactly what and how many they are looking for before they dont knock?

i have some NFA guns. do i just give up $20,000? i really dont look forward to that.

its a quandry. :(
 

Underdude

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Avtomat-Acolyte said:
Underdude said:
I know my stance on this isn't very popular, but it is mine after all.
Everyone has a breaking point and will say "No more, not one more step back."


In the interest of academic speculation and not in the realm of preparation or planning; wouldn't it be more prudent to feign compliance in the face of overwhelming force and then, when cleared and left alone, retrieve hidden contraband when no longer being supervised? At this point you could go about your normal, daily life... or exact revenge. But at least you'd still be alive and not incarcerated and able to make the selection.

A valid question, but Tiger said it all.
They'll know who the guns owners are and most (or all) weapons you own before they even show up. And if you say you don't own any they'll ransack your place to find them anyway.
 

Oliver2w1

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In the interest of academic speculation and not in the realm of preparation or planning; wouldn't it be more prudent to feign compliance in the face of overwhelming force and then, when cleared and left alone, retrieve hidden contraband when no longer being supervised? At this point you could go about your normal, daily life... or exact revenge. But at least you'd still be alive and not incarcerated and able to make the selection.

Seems to me this tactic worked pretty well in a couple spots....what were their names.......oh yeah Iraq and Afghanistan. I know we all love the ORIGINAL Red Dawn but going head to head with a force, well like the US government is stupid with overtones of suicidal. Survival in the FEMA/ DHS new world order will depend on your ability to blend in and present as little threat as possible.
 

Tigerstripe

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i aint going to no stinkin fema camp, my wife says no too.

there are 2 of us. if we take out 2 or more of them and this keeps happenning they will run out of jacklegs. somebody was standing in front of the shot heard round the world.

there are more of us than there are of them and when it happens enough someone is going to rise up.

and as your quote says freedom isnt free, paraphrased.
 

Oliver2w1

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Allow me to clarify my earlier post. By no means do I mean capitulate and roll over. I mean smile and let them search and when they leave blow up their supply lines or shoot their officers.
 

Underdude

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And if they search your place wouldn't they find everything? What's to stop them from locking you up anyway?
If an agency would send their own and they follow orders, they know the risk about going after firearms. Their ass is on the line. They should stand up and remember their oath and tell the leaders to piss off. If they don't.....dire consequences.
 

fordnut

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I am old. The only family I have to answer for is my wife. Neither of us are ready to die...but, we will not give up our freedom easily.

I hope I don't live long enough to see something like that happen.....But, I will not go away from my home...or, I will not go away by my self...ENOUGH SAID>>>> I know I am already on a bunch of lists...


Steve
 

Underdude

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Oliver2w1 said:
In the interest of academic speculation and not in the realm of preparation or planning; wouldn't it be more prudent to feign compliance in the face of overwhelming force and then, when cleared and left alone, retrieve hidden contraband when no longer being supervised? At this point you could go about your normal, daily life... or exact revenge. But at least you'd still be alive and not incarcerated and able to make the selection.

Seems to me this tactic worked pretty well in a couple spots....what were their names.......oh yeah Iraq and Afghanistan. I know we all love the ORIGINAL Red Dawn but going head to head with a force, well like the US government is stupid with overtones of suicidal. Survival in the FEMA/ DHS new world order will depend on your ability to blend in and present as little threat as possible.

You're speaking of firearms? If so, how can you compare the sandbox to the USA? We have a constitution, they don't.
 
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