What's up with this?
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/20...he-day-what-does-dhs-want-with-all-that-ammo/
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/20...he-day-what-does-dhs-want-with-all-that-ammo/
DHS grabbing up 40 cal ammo
- Thread starter bigfutz
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Makes sense to me if you think about it. Customs and Border Patrol carries a HK P2000 in .40 S&W, Immigrations and Customs Enforcement carries a Sig P229 in .40 S&W, Homeland Security Investigations carries a Sig P229 in .40 S&W, and the United States Coast Guard also carries a Sig P229 in .40 S&W. The only agency I can think of off the top of my head that doesn't is the Secret Service.
BenMara
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Yea its been an ongoin thing, all my friends that have gov, jobs are switching to 40s even glock is buyin back their 9mm issues
Both would indicate to my uneducated eye they are looking for flatter trajectory for longer range shots. Hence the "Long Range Glock"
http://www.glock.com/english/glock31.htm
Or maybe they are just fond of these cute little rounds.
http://www.glock.com/english/glock31.htm
Or maybe they are just fond of these cute little rounds.
HOLY DIVER
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i thought the 5-7 was developed because it will penatrate bullet proof vests?bigfutz said:
Uh ya, I'm pretty sure it was oringally developed as a subgun and pistol round that could penetrate body armor...
From Handguns Magazine
http://webcitation.org/5rzTMO60b
From Handguns Magazine
http://webcitation.org/5rzTMO60b
fiundagner
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I have been hearing about his contract since Friday, but my internet / computer has been in and out. Has anyone thought about these levels? They sound like a lot of ammo, until you think about a few things. First, this is a 4 year contract, so it?s only about 90 million rounds a year. Also, most of this ammunition is probably used for training purposes.
Back in the day they always had federal agents train with, and qualify with, whatever they would be carrying in their firearms. There is a measurable difference in performance between hollow point ammunition and ball ammunition. And in close quarters situations, where civilians may be in the line of fire, you want to make sure that round hits where the agent thinks I will hit.
My understanding is that back in the days of the original air marshal program (today?s program is a joke compared to the original program) air marshals were required to shoot a 100 round qualification course, with a 95% (?) score (it has been awhile since I talked to some of the original people in the program, so my memory is a little fuzzy) . The course included targets from 5 ft to the length of the airplane, and included both occluded targets (targets behind seats or other obstructions) and hostage targets (targets with a human shield). When you are shooting those ranges, the difference in ballistic preformance between hollow point and FMJ / Ball is very important.
Again, 90 million rounds sound excessive, with only ?around 200,000? agents in the program, until you do the math. That is only 450 rounds per agent, per year, for training and qualification. Even you figure that all the agents are not required to carry weapons (in the military only about 1 in 10 people is actually a combat soldier, but all of them are required to qualify with their weapons at least once a year) that is still a very limited amount of ammunition for training and qualification.
How many of us shoot more than that at shootzenfest alone, let alone all the other times we go to the range during the year? How many of us have more than 450 rounds sitting around our house for our assorted firearms? While there is a major difference between the two I would like to point out they sell .22 ammo in brcks ranging from 50 ? 550 rounds. And how easy is it to burn through a brick of 22?
Recently my wife bought a brand new handgun, so shiny it had only had the factory test rounds through it, and was told that to really break it in she needed to put about 500 rounds through it. That alone is more than the yearly allotment per agent in this ammo contract.
So yes, it sounds like a huge, massive, run for the hills the gubbermint is coming to take over amount (yes, I have heard that tossed around a lot lately), until you do the math.
Back in the day they always had federal agents train with, and qualify with, whatever they would be carrying in their firearms. There is a measurable difference in performance between hollow point ammunition and ball ammunition. And in close quarters situations, where civilians may be in the line of fire, you want to make sure that round hits where the agent thinks I will hit.
My understanding is that back in the days of the original air marshal program (today?s program is a joke compared to the original program) air marshals were required to shoot a 100 round qualification course, with a 95% (?) score (it has been awhile since I talked to some of the original people in the program, so my memory is a little fuzzy) . The course included targets from 5 ft to the length of the airplane, and included both occluded targets (targets behind seats or other obstructions) and hostage targets (targets with a human shield). When you are shooting those ranges, the difference in ballistic preformance between hollow point and FMJ / Ball is very important.
Again, 90 million rounds sound excessive, with only ?around 200,000? agents in the program, until you do the math. That is only 450 rounds per agent, per year, for training and qualification. Even you figure that all the agents are not required to carry weapons (in the military only about 1 in 10 people is actually a combat soldier, but all of them are required to qualify with their weapons at least once a year) that is still a very limited amount of ammunition for training and qualification.
How many of us shoot more than that at shootzenfest alone, let alone all the other times we go to the range during the year? How many of us have more than 450 rounds sitting around our house for our assorted firearms? While there is a major difference between the two I would like to point out they sell .22 ammo in brcks ranging from 50 ? 550 rounds. And how easy is it to burn through a brick of 22?
Recently my wife bought a brand new handgun, so shiny it had only had the factory test rounds through it, and was told that to really break it in she needed to put about 500 rounds through it. That alone is more than the yearly allotment per agent in this ammo contract.
So yes, it sounds like a huge, massive, run for the hills the gubbermint is coming to take over amount (yes, I have heard that tossed around a lot lately), until you do the math.
